KOERNER: That is just correct

CONAN: And it's really fascinating, one to insistence on the ban - to use a term -which was one of several innovative regions of AA whether or not it started. There are other programs during the time, however they were seeking - they focused on managing the number of alcohol, not reducing it well entirely.

Mr. KOERNER: Yeah, which is exactly correct. It is fascinating. During the time of doing the study for the reputation for AA, I actually unearthed that in early '40s, whenever AA was initially removing, you will find lots of debate on whether or not some body - particular meetings was in fact that have people drinking beer during the meetings, saying beer try ok.